Why I do not believe there is a separate plan for Israel, part 5

Another reason I think there has always been one plan for one people comes from Romans 5.13-14: “For sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.”

Paul’s point here is that even before the Law was given, there was a Law, or else men would not have died. So the Law given to Israel was not something completely new, just revealed in a clearer way. In other words there is much more continuity than first meets the eye throughout the Bible. And Paul says you were supposed to know that Adam was pointing to someone future. The OT was not (mainly) about Israel, but mainly (only?) about Jesus.

3 responses to “Why I do not believe there is a separate plan for Israel, part 5

  1. Steven Warden

    Paul writes in Romans 2:14, 15 “For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires…they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts.” And in another place Paul writes in Romans 7:7 “…Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, ‘You shall not covet.'” So I’ve held a belief that God views his created mankind as one line of Humanity. And what God has once viewed as an act of rebellion he will always view as an act of rebellion. So to say “God decided arbitrarily what Moses should record as a sin” is completely false. God had Moses record in black and white what has always been a sin! And still is a sin to this day.

    This is where I should stop but I want to take one step further. In John 8:1-11 Jesus has a woman “caught in the very act of adultery” brought to him. They say the Law of Moses commands to stone her. They want to know what he says. A lot of people say “No way! Jesus wouldn’t let them stone her because his God isn’t the same as the Old Testament wrathful God”. But I say Jesus says to stone her. He agrees that the wages of her sin require death. The catch was though that he pointed out that the accusers were in no better shape then she was and that if they were going to carry out her sentence than they should take turns executing each other. In hindsight we can see that Jesus knew he was ultimately going to take upon himself the punishment that this woman, and in act the whole crowd, deserves.

    I don’t know what the rule is for “Blog Commenting Etiquite” on the fact that my comment is longer than the Blog but I do want to make one last attempt at the point I’m trying to make. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus is the same yesterday and today and forever. So to say that before Moses there was a different standard, during Moses there was a different standard, and after Jesus there is a different standard I believe is completely false. To say “Well yeah, Deuteronomy records it as a sin but Jesus doesn’t mention it so it’s okay” is very dangerous. The sin didn’t become a sin on Mt Sinai and then Jesus squashed it. The sin was a sin before Moses, during Moses, and still is a sin today.

    No Other Gods/No Idols
    Genesis 35: 2 “So Jacob said to his household and to all who were with him, ‘Put away the foreign gods that are among you.”

    Remember Sabbath
    Genesis 2:3 “So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation”.

    Honor Father and Mother
    Genesis 9:23 “Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father.”

    Thou Shall Not Murder
    Genesis 9:5-6 “From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man. Whoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.”

    Thou Shall Not Commit Adultery
    Genesis 39: 8, 9 “But he refused and said to his master’s wife, ‘Behold, because of me my master has no concern about anything in the house, and he has put everything that he has in my charge. He is not greater in this house than I am, nor has he kept back anything from me except yourself, because you are his wife. How then can I do this great wickedness and sin against God?’”

    No Stealing
    Genesis 44: 8, 9 “How then could we steal silver or gold from your lord’s house. Whichever of your servants is found with it shall die, and we also will be my lord’s servants.”

    No Lying
    Abraham Lies to Abimelech Genesis 20:9 “Then Abimelech called Abraham and said to him, ‘What have you done to us? And how have I sinned against you, that you have brought on me and my kingdom a great sin? You have done to me things that ought not to be done.’”

    No Coveting
    Genesis 3:6 “So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of it’s fruit and ate.”

    • Todd Morikawa

      yes, never make your first comment longer than the blog itself. 🙂

      Also, it is unclear what you are arguing against. The post itself? Or the same people I’m arguing against? Trust me, in blogs, and even more so in blog comments, brevity is clarity.

  2. Steven Warden

    Arguing against the same you are. In all of that I’m just piggy backing your point.

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